Re: Debate - was the civil war the most moral war ever
...and you can't bring yourself to believe that the tiniest, little-bittiest scrap of my motivations might be entirely selfless?
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No, I can't bring myself to believe that anyone's motivations for anything they do is completely, 100% free of the taint of self interest.
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I said "the smallest scrap of" not "every bit of".
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See above.For every "selfless motivation" there is a corresponding selfish one behind it. If you genuinely wish a better life on other people, it may stem from a personal desire for equilibrium, or...
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Then explain to me how, and how I should adjust my train of logic.If an action didn't benefit oneself, then why would one do it?
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I agree with Bast. K, if you didn't take pleasure/satisfaction/feeling of righteousness in believing that other people matter, you wouldn't believe so.But that does not make it any less a belief that...
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I attest that I can perform said actions irrespective of any satisfaction they give me. Self interest and my desire for life has made such actions possible, but the actions themselves can be...
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"I attest that I can perform said actions irrespective of any ssatisfaction they give me."Either that or you would like the attention it would bring, even if you claim not to.I still can't see anyone...
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It is sad that you cannot imagine something greater than self interest existing. I pity you. We have reached a dichotomy, it seems, so unless there is some way you can be convinced otherwise, this is...
View ArticleRe: Debate - was the civil war the most moral war ever
It is sad that you cannot imagine something greater than self interest existing. I pity you. We have reached a dichotomy, it seems, so unless there is some way you can be convinced otherwise, this is...
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Oh, I can imagine it, but it's far from anything our species is capable of. If someone's doing something that benefits the species, he's invariably benefitting from it in some way, or else he wouldn't...
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What about doing something that benefits an animal?Say K eats dolphin-safe tuna for the rest of his life. He is not benefitting, as dolphins are just as nutritious a food. Let's say he doesn't even...
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I agree with the Bastard.In the big picture such action benefits the environment, which benefits those that live in it, K lives in the environment so... inadvertantly, unconsciously, he served his own...
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"unconsciously" Christ, so now I only think I'm good, but really I'm wrong. I'm glad you are all so confident in your logical prowess that you can inform me of how wrong I am about something occurring...
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"You just think you're being nice...you're really being selfish." You are incredibly wrong.
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"Say K eats dolphin-safe tuna for the rest of his life. He is not benefitting, as dolphins are just as nutritious a food. Let's say he doesn't even feel any better about it, because he hates dolphins....
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Heh. I actually continue to agree with Bast and Chatar on this, perhaps because so much of my ideology is egocentric. I really think the only unselfish act is one of stupidity - i.e., stealing money...
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That's probably why he hasn't showed up. :)And really, what you guys are trying to impose on my mind is like telling paul "you don't actually believe". You are not the authority on it, and I disprove...
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